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Megpoid English Trial Version Now Online

As was noted in a pamphlet being passed out at NAMM, INTERNET is making available a demo version of their upcoming Megpoid English sound bank. As of now, people interested in trying out the new VOCALOID3 sound bank for 14 days can register to obtain a download link via email, with an unique user identification number. However, since INTERNET’s server doesn’t have enough bandwidth to serve everyone a 1.5GB file directly, it appears that downloads are only open for specific identification numbers. Anyone visiting the download link with those numbers get access to the download while everyone else seems to get shown a blank white page with a broken/incomplete HTML form.

UPDATE: The emailed link is now a standard HTTP download that everyone is able to access.

  • that guy

    I predict within a week someone will policaoid this. *prepares for incoming butt hurt replies*

    • Samuel Leuenberger

      You mean the software has got some DRM / Lock on it ? I though Pocaloid only meant “using the software without paying the licence”. But that sound surprising with the new V3 engine which is separated from the voicebank. How would one protect a Voicebank when one is not distributing the software using said voicebank ?

      • mrquadrant4

        Not sure where the Pocaloid term fits in the V3 era but it probably
        nowadays simply means cracked versions of the Vocaloid 3 Editor and
        voice libraries.

      • that guy

        From what I can tell there is a time limit on her just like with Galaco. However someone will more then likely override it and put the voicebank up for download.

        • hightrancesea

          Pretty much all VOCALOID3 software are “trial versions” by default; the full version comes with a product key that lets you activate it indefinitely. The thing with galaco is that the activation key they give you will only activate it for a few months.

  • Samuel Leuenberger

    BW limitations ? Come on guys what’s the Torrent for ?

  • http://twitter.com/jkao James Kao

    I think the system was simply broken. I tried again today, and the email I got contained a direct-to-file link, no long hex parameter.

  • 9Bluejades

    http://www.vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/33420-english-megpoid-gumi/page__st__840

    Has a link to megpoid english trial for those getting the dreaded white page. Scroll halfway down and it should be next to a litlle gumi icon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mlrpesce Mauro L R Pesce

    Everyone is OK with the emailed link? My antivirus doesn’t let me download it because it says the file is infected.. Maybe a false positive, but..

  • that guy

    Well been using her for a good couple of hours now and like I said in the shout box she is really poor quality at the moment. hopefully Internet Co. will listen to the feed back of the users and delay her release because she really needs it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003738797073 Ruka Miki

    I find it a little sad that this vocaloid 3 english bank from someone who is supposedly “fluent” in english is the same quality as Luka in V2 give or take. I’m seriously disappointed. I don’t know if it’s because internet co did the recording quickly or what.

    • mrquadrant4

      Having an accent has nothing to do with language fluency.

    • Samuel Leuenberger

      Neutrino’s demo was pretty good though and clearly better than anything I have listenened to with Luka, So what’s happening here ? Are there any tester happy or not ?

      • mrquadrant4

        There’s nothing going on. Honestly, I’m enjoying working around GUMI’s strange flaws.

        People have an expectation that if they type out the lyrics, the Vocaloid should automagically say the lyrics as they intended in their own minds. It doesn’t occur to them that they’ll have to edit the phonetics and create a User Dictionary that suites their needs. Yes, GUMI has some weird results (compared to, say, Avanna), but they can be worked around and a lot of it becomes trivial once you create your own dictionary. There’s also tricks like placing words or phonetics in a separate track to force the engine to sound out all the phonetics you need it to sound out. (TINY Editor, of course, won’t let you do that with only one track to work with but that limitation is gone with the full V3 Editor.)

        • Aerii

          Instead of putting stuff in other tracks, have you tried using [Sil]? I’m not sure if it’s well-known by now, but it adds a silence to the note, separating it from whatever you want (and thus preventing the triggering of certain transitions or whatever) without having to put it on another track.

          • mrquadrant4

            Yes, I’ve used [Sil] often but I sometimes actually don’t want to separate the notes with a break but force both notes to be sounded almost at the same time without the synthesizer wanting to blend them. Of course, the notes sound weird this way but after a bit of wrestling in the musical editor, you can actually get some interesting results. More clearly pronounced consonants where they should be in certain words.

          • thatguy

            you can also use [Asp] and [?] ( Glottal stop ) to help fix that. But Yes Megpoid is very glitchy at times. ( Not as glitchy as say Sonika or Oliver ) but she does not like a lot Vowel to Vowel phoneme transitions and Consonant Vowel transitions (her [kh] is a mine field at times) unless you do some fancy playing with Dynamics, Pitch Bends, and Velocity.

          • mrquadrant4

            I’m doing something wrong with the glottal stop because it doesn’t seem to actually do anything. In fact, when I put where I think the way its suppose to be used, the entire note is silent.

          • that guy

            @mrquadrant4:disqus

            A glottal stop is a quick cut off of air in the throat that makes it so that note is quickly stopped. So the silence you are hearing is somewhat normal. A good example is the phrase “uh-oh” where the “-” represents the glottal stop.

          • mrquadrant4

            Maybe the glottal stop phonetic doesn’t work for Avanna and Megpoid English and only works for the Japanese V3 Vocaloids. I’ve tried the following:

            Single note construction

            [V ? @U]

            Result is a silent note.

            Two note construction:

            [V ?] [@U] or [V] [? @U]

            Both result in a silent note depending on which note I put the [?].

          • that guy

            The Glottal stop needs to be in it’s own note. so to do the phrase “uh-oh” in vocaloid you would need to spell it phoneme mode with three notes written out on the piano roll like so [V] [?] [@U].

            Though personally to make it sound more realistic it would set it up as so

            [V] [V_0] [?] [@U]_[@U]

            that way you can get the sound of air being cut off with a false V breath using the voiceless command. (also if you are wondering what _ stands for it is falling tone. Which should of been included in the english phonemes but was taken out because of short cuts)

          • mrquadrant4

            Thank you for the example, but after using it I’m still unconvinced glottal stop is actually implemented in at least Megpoid English and Avanna. I did some experimenting and here’s what I’ve discovered:

            In the example you provided,

            [V] [?] [@U]

            seems to produce the affect as intended.

            However,

            [V] [Sil] [@U]
            [V Sil] [@U]
            [V] [Sil @U]

            and

            [V] [//] [@U]
            [V] [!?] [@U]
            [V] [!!!!!!!!?????&&&&&] [@U]
            (use any symbol in place of the glottal stop)

            produces the exact result as the original example. Further experimenting convinced me that the glottal stop effect isn’t actually there when I slowed the tempo down 20. I didn’t hear an abrupt stop at the midway point or near the end of the [V] note as I thought that’s what the glottal stop was supposed to do. Instead, there’s the usual slight falling tone at the end of the note. When i listened carefully at other tempo speeds, again, I couldn’t hear the abrupt stop.

            Setting the tempo back to 20 for more testing, the only way I could mimic the glottal stop effect was to do this:

            [V Sil] [@U] or [V] [Sil @U]

            and shorten [V] note until the synthesizer was forced to cut off pronouncing the note fully. Than place a short gap between [V Sil] and [@U] so the brief pause is more natural sounding between the two notes. At other tempo speeds, lengthening the notes relative to the tempo speed produces roughly the same effect at tempo 20.

            An even better result I got, but more of a pain in the ass, is to use the DYN parameter and just cut off half the [V] note using a sharp decline to 0.

          • that guy

            Sil is used to cut off the transition from one note to the other especially on vowel vowel transitions so on “uh-oh” it would be easier to hear. Try using the [?] on words like bottle, cotton, or Clinton with replacing the vowel with the [?]. Also try it on Light, flight, and put with the [?] being at the end. It should make them sound more realistic sine there is a glottal stop on the end of each of these words. try looking at this site since it provides a basic idea of how a glottal stop works in english. http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/glottalstopterm.htm

          • that guy

            Hmm seems I made a mistake on where to put the [?] for words like “bottle” in V3 it needs to be spelt out like so

            [bh Q][?][U l]

            It seems Yamaha decided to forgo the glottal stop in the correct place and instead moved it to the “t” since that is the sound it replaces when humans pronounces it. I also tested this on AVANNA ( Yes even though I hate her I still gave her a chance to help change my mind and sadly see did not.) and it seems to be random at times. on certain words she will pronounce the glottal stop correctly other times she will not pronounce it at all.

          • mrquadrant4

            After trying “bottle” in the manner you have described, I still don’t hear any difference compared to if I were to to replace [?] with a random symbol or the [Sil] phonetic. Still convinced [?] is not implemented in AVANNA and Megpoid English.

            However if I use [Asp] like so:

            [bh Q Asp] [U l]

            then first note abruptly gets cut off near the end of Q. So, as far as I’m concerned [Asp] is the glottal stop for both consonants and vowels that works on AVANNA and Megpoid English.

          • that guy

            Asp is suppose to aspirate the phoneme by adding a breath of air in not stop it completely . Lol Kinda proves how much of a shitty quality Avanna really is. Guess that why she is so cheap. Since Megpoid demos expired yesterday I guess we can assume the same that English Megpoid is also pretty terrible too. (Watch Circus-P make a chart smashing original since I think he is getting her, Miku, and KAITO all for free)

          • mrquadrant4

            I can only assume you heard the exact same effect I did when I tried it with AVANNA, lol. I was confused why [Asp] did what it did because I thought it was suppose do as you said, emphasize the breath on consonants and maybe even affect vowel sounds. However, maybe Vocaloid 3′s [Asp] is suppose to do that compared to Vocaloid 2. These “hidden” phonetics still remain undocumented in the manuals so who knows how they are supposed to behave.

          • that guy

            It shouldn’t but this is english vocaloid we are talking about so messed up glitches are something that does not surprise me at this point. It just kind of further pushes the point that English banks and English Vocaloids are just plain terrible. (Yes folks that even includes english KAITO and english Megpoid get over it.)

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  • Commenter

    Well i couldn’t really use her cuz i had the small editor at the time but i think shes really good and i wish i could use her again.. DX